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i'm giving you -- so use it for what you claim you're going to use it for. >> a mandate to post of money for investment. we're making deals. good stuff. catch cenk at 6:00. "hardball" is up right now. war on trial. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews from washington. leading off tonight, getting out. when president obama announced the troop surge in 2009, he said we must deny al qaeda a safe haven, reverse the taliban momentum and help afghanistan take control of its own destiny. in three hours now, he's likely to say we've made progress a all three fronts and it's time to pull back. it will probably be too much for
the right, too little for the left, but no question americans are growing increasingly impatient with its war and its costs. that's our top story tonight. plus the elusive al gore criticizes the president. in a 7,000-word piece in "rolling stone" he says president obama hasn't made the case for action on global warming. can it get any worse for newt gingrich? his staff as abandoned him, he's heading south in the polls, and now it turns out he had a second line of debt with tiffany's. apparently it isn't enough for republicans. go try to dismantle medicare. now a growing number are going after social security. do they have a political death wish? finally steve cobert has hi version of -- i love the phrase ---ed generic republican candidates. remember, msnbc will provide complete coverage of president obama's speech tonight on afghanistan in just three hours,
beginning at 8:00 eastern. we start with president obama's strategy for afghanistan. "the washington post" reports that the president is expected to anoun that we will remove 5,000 troops from afghanistan this summer, another 5,000 troops from afghanistan by the end of this year, and another 20,000-plus by the end of next year. that means getting rid of the surge. the latest pew poll says we should remove u.s. troops asap, as soon as possible. senator barbara boxer is a member of the foreign relations committee. she joins us now. senator boxer, i don't know, what do you make of this? if he's get out 10,000 this years, 20,000 next year, that ends the surge. still 70,000 in country. your thought? >> well, i think number one, we're not positive of what he's going to say, it is three hours, but i'm going to say you may have the right information, and if you do, this is my response. the good news for me tonight is
that we're going to see, you know, this longest american war start to come to an end. the news that may not be exactly what i want to hear is that it's going at a slower pace than i think is necessary. chris, when the president announced the second surge, he's had the first surge with 17,000 troops, i supported him. he said the afghan war was neglected, we have to catch osama bin laden, and i thought he was right. now, that has been done. the second surge, 30,000 troops, that mission must come to an end. that mission right now is cellinsurgencel counter insurgency, that means boots on the ground. it's time for the afghans to step up to the plate. the president said the 30,000 surge was temporary. if it was temporary, he announced it in december of '09, those 30,000 troops should be
brought home by the end of this year and the mission should change to one of counter-terrorism and training the afghan soldiers. they need more training. look. there's 50 al qaeda left. that's according to leon panetta. 50 al qaeda left in afghanistan. we don't need all of our troops there now. we need just a small force, about 25 thousands as i see it. we can get down to that level of force in 12 to 18 months. >> if we can survive over there effectively with just a training miss of, say, 25,000 troops, why do we keep 70,000 there for the duration? what do we get done that we couldn't get done by leaving tomorrow morning? what's getting accomplished over there by a combat mission? >> well, you've hit the nail on
the head here. you don't just say i'm going to bring home so many people without putting it to a mission. that's the question. right now it's a counter-insurgency mission. i think it's time to change it so that it's counterterrorism and training the troops and protecting the personnel that we have there. so the experts tell me you can do that with 25,000, and you could do that within 12 to 18 months. buzz you have to just say, as i reread what our great president said and -- listen, listen, we have to give credit where credit is due. i may not agree with everything 4th says. it was the surge, it was temporary, change the mission, do it, but we have to give credit. this is the commander in chief that did finally get osama bin laden, and this is the commander in chief who is sending the iraq war. we'll have all our troops gone out of iraq by the end of this year. my heart is with the president. i know that he's been, you know,
really working this through. he has voices on one and the other, i hope he's licensed to all. i think at the end he said the 30 those would be temporary, i took him at his word and hope to see a quicker calendar than what i think we'll seal. >> i believe you became an activist in policy continues because of the war in vietnam. >> i did. >> isn't it odd to have huntsman to the left of the president, saying afghanistan really isn't the front, it's dealing with the economics, keeping or competitive edge? what does it feel like to have a republican candidate, to use an old phrase, to your left? >> i think it's great that all of a sudden the republicans have decided they don't love every single war. that's good. if it's real. i think it should be embraced. but the fact is this president knew when he came into office that afghanistan was neglected.
look, i voted to go after bin laden, and george bush turned totally around and went into around and neglected afghanistan. the president came in action and i think he's done what he said he would do. he went after bin laden, captured him, and he's training these troops. when i hear karzai say some things when which he says, which is you're occupiers, you're this, you're that, i think it's time to change that mission and get our troops out as a quicker pace. >> senator barbara boxer, thank you. matthew host, a former marine corporation captain, he's got a hell of a record behind him. he resigned from the diplomatic assignment he had in afghanistan to protest u.s. policy over there. what are we getting done in the next three years and we've lost 1,000 lives of americans since
this president took office. what is accomplished if we string it out? >> not much, chris. false security. al qaeda is not there. you look at where al qaeda has attacked us from. the last several attacks by al qaeda, they're from bridgeport, connecticut, from nigeria. you had the guy from denver. the guy in ft. hood. >> so what are we fighting over there? you were over there -- >> we're involved in someone else's civil war. when we went in 2001, it was the right thing to do. what we got involved in is someone else's civil war. when we intervened we took one side. it's a multisided conflict. there's rett nick, regional things. our kids are caught between the hatfield and mccoy type of feuds. that's what we found ourselves in. now ten years later after constantly taking one side, that's why over this last couple years as we've seen 60,000 troop
increase, we've just seen the insurgency blossom. that's when we spend tens of billions more every year, you see it blossom, because that money is only helping certain people in the population. >> what about the mccain argument? we gout out there after charlie wilson's war, the taliban tack over. if we leave how long would it -- >> why would the pakistanis back the taliban the way they did in the 'the 0s? it doesn't make sense. even if the taliban did take over why would they invite taliban back? we took them out of the power once, they have learned their lesson. why would al qaeda want to go back? they're in pakistan, in dubai, in new york, london. they don't need to go back. it would be like asking a modern company to give up -- >> men and women over there, in
harm's way, when they get up in the morning, who are they fighting? >> they're fighting -- >> because we're losing lives. you say we're involved in a civil war. who's on the other side? a broad multidimensional insurgency. some is ideological, some religious, but a lot of it goes decades. we're taking part in this war that's been going on for a decrease indicate. >> so we're fighting anybody who doesn't like the central government. so we're a karzai's garrison force. >> we're prop him up and making his cronies rich. >> that's my -- the most hawkish person in the world, generally we're not probably going to stay at the end of three or four more years. how will it be different than if we left tomorrow morning? >> it won't be. that's why we made a mistake.
the phrase i've been using recently is 2009 we are waist deep now we're chest deep we've been there to song, 100,000 of our troops, 40,000 allied troops, tens of bills on, we're prop it up. if we pull out tomorrow, leave it tomorrow -- >> give the president his due right now. another 23,000 next -- this is a pretty good report. they leaked it, i guess. then sometime between then, the two subsequent years, 2013 and '14, over that period, the rest of the troops out, reducing or complement to about 25,000 down from 100,000. what does that up to, as a plan? >> i don't think much of it, chris. if we don't change the strategy, if we don't realize we're just making things worse, we're in
the same conflict this time next year with 10,000 less troops or 20,000 less troops. 2014 getting all our troops out -- >> our com pat troops. we'll still keep 25,000 trainers over there, which is amazing to me. >> getting to that point is predicated on our militarily defeating the insurgency. >> here's the dangerous point. could he be going into an area in the middle where nothing gets done? fewer troops, that sounds like a recipe for a disaster, instead of 100,000 troops, they're down to 25,000 fighting the same kind of war. >> yeah, basically. what you get is -- i think the president is lard to 2009, trying to please everybody, cutting the difference again. >> we'll find out why the president believes in this war. you don't. senator boxer believes we have
to come home. the president believes we have to stretch this thing out for three, four more years. anyway, thank you for being here. is he doing enough -- romney or bachmann would do a better job? it's what you do with what you've got. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. with bengay pain relief plus massage you can do this... get the ball, girl. hmmm, you can't do that. but you can do this. bengay pain relief + massage with penetrating nubs plus the powerful pain relief of bengay. love the nubs! a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience
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in 2000, when you overwhelmingly made the decision to elect me as president, i knew the road ahead would be difficult. we have accomplished so much, yet challenges lie ahead. we've been able to stop global warming. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was "saturday night live" of course that sketch has a bitter grain of truth for al gore if he had won, chances are he would be further along about global warming. he left politics, took a low profile. now he's written that president obama has been a disappointment. he writes obama's election was accompanied by intense hope that many things in need of change
would change. climate change, unfortunately is in the second category. gore adding president obama has thus far failed to use the bully pulpit to make the case. eric bates is executive editor of "rolling stone." thank you, joan and eric, for joining us. eric, did he come to you or did you talk to him? >> we talked to him about this. we felt that everybody knows the science. gore has made clear what the science says, that climate change is real, the planet face as grave risk. the question is why hasn't moran done to stop it? we thought he was in a position to give us an analysis of that. >> what do you think is the problem? the republican party are bakley aligning themselves in antichef science. they're willing to say they believe the world is about 5,000 years old, they go back to
fundamentalist views, and they really don't have any problem being anti-science. isn't that really the problem? not that gore has a problem with obama. >> it's interesting, the essay is about the press in the media. and how they have fallen down. gore points out the media hasn't done is job and taken a he said/she said approach, when in fact there's truth and falsity in that. >> i'm with you on there. i hate that so-called evenhanded objective journalism. you can't say something isn't true if it's true in the interest of evenhandedness. al gore has been in and out of public life, after getting screwed out of the election. we can argue how it was done, but it ended up being bad calls
up and down bad intervention by the supreme court. we can all agree on that, a lot of us. >> yes. >> he's a qualified guy, i think he ran a terrible campaign, but he did "inconvenient truth" a hell of a documentary, and now he's back. what do you make of his going after the president in this fashion? >> well, you know, eric made a good point. i did real the whole 7,000 words. it's inspiring, a bit depressing, but most is spent on us -- not the three of us, but on the media, and on this fog that has been caused by spending, by powerful interests who are against any action on cliismt change. that's really what it's about. then he comes to obama. when he gets to obama, giving him credit for some things he's done, and it's kind of bigger than that. what he's saying is what other liberal advocates say. he hasn't told a story of, a, what we're up against, but also, b, what we can do about it.
this speaks to something you are interested in. he talks about we could have a great industrial renaissance. we should be solving the unemployment crisis while solving the global crisis, and making national security less of an issue because we're not dependent on oil. he sees how they're interconnected. so does president obama, but president obama has gotten stuck in the gridlock of washington. >> eric, i want to go back. the house democrats who stuck their necks out on cap and trade have had their heads cut off the the senate didn't vote. the senate never got to it. you can argue it's the president's fault, but they're giving up whole states in the interest of climate change. west virginia used to be a democratic state. it voted for clinton. it's gone. you can't talk cap and trade in
west virginia. there's a lot of places in coal country you dare not spend a nickel for climate change issues. isn't that the problem? >> we've gone from a place where we knew the crisis we were phasing. now you can't even talk reasonably about the solutions. i think that's gore's main point, the attack on climate science is on the attack on the rule of reason, an attack on our ability as a society to hold a rational debate on what the facts say and what we need to do. >> back to joan, and eric jump in, too, have we ever had a time where one side is willing to say something -- you can argue about wars and measuring facts, but here's fa fact. rush limbaugh says stuff that is -- just not true. i never use the word lie, but it's appropriate here. >> it is, it is. >> glenn beck, i hear him years ago on the radio before he was on tv saying there's no climate
change, up and do pandering to times. they're evil in what they're doing. i'm not saying their souls are evil, but what they're doing is really, really wrong. it's not the president. it's this corrupt media on the right. corrupt media. they're making good salaries telling people what they know is not true. rush limbaugh is not a stupid person. glenn beck is not stupid. your thoughts. >> they're serving the interests on people making a lot of money from our system being exactly the way it is, and they don't care. i think you're right. i mean, the president has had himself blocked, but there's a need for more leadership on this issue, and i think there's a feeling that he could do more than he did. i don't know what he could have done in the senate. i read the piece, i know there was a juncture back then when senators seemed interested and lindsey graham walked away, i think it was very complicated.
i think sometimes the people ask the president to be superman in these situations. that's his job, sort of, but we have to be realistic about congress. >> joan, as always i agree with you 99% of the time. eric, good editing there. you've got a good piece there. i would say about the president, he's always my president, on some of the big ones like climate change, race, things like that, wars. my belief is this, churchhill said this once, i refuse to be impartial between the fire brigade and the fire. the president is the fire brig dade. damn it, he's not the fire. glenn become is, rush limbaugh is the fire, the chamber of commerce, the "wall street journal" editorial page, they are the fire. let's not forget it. what's george w. bush doing with a crowd of people wearing sunglasses at night? that's just about right, isn't it? you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc.
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newt tried to tell an atlanta audience this morning he's not the only one who's had campaign upheavals. >> on the day of the new hampshire primary in 1980, the top 13 people in ronald reagan's staff quit. in 1976, ronald reagan lost five straight primaries, and nancy actually tried to convince the staff into talking him into dropping out. the fact is campaigns go up and down. i am not running to talk about the nuances of running. i'm running because we have enormous problems. well, first of all, just to get the facts out there, everything he said there, especially about the reagan campaign is totally dishonest. john sears says everybody who follows politics, at least my generation remembers, including knute, john sears was firedly ronald reagan on election today on the primary. he didn't quit among 13 other
guys. there's absolutely no truth to the, instead of going for financial aid. this one ought to go to federal disaster relief. this is the worst in history, and deservedly so. for more, let's bring in mark happen aspirin and david corn. could it get worse, mark? >> i think he's got a chance to get it somewhat better, but not on the route he's taking. he has to decide, does he want to be president and what's necessary to be president? he can't be the angry guy? he's got to be a happy warrior, hard-working, disciplined and stop focusing on this stuff. he's got to deflect it like reagan would, in a cheery way, not in an intense and negative way. >> why is he putting out what everybody nose as a political junkie is political dishonesty. everyone knows that ronald reagan had a bad experience in iowa, fired john sears the day
he won the new hampshire primary. why did he put it out that he request illustrate when he knows damned well that reagan fired the chief. >> because like reagan him will have. gingrich liked to tell -- >> it's not a version. i know you have to deal -- >> i said his version. >> okay. right. your version. what do you make of this guy? >> mark just said there are things that things newt could do to right the ship that's sinking. >> like quitting? ivities maybe. i think the issue is one you raise. i don't think he's capable of being honest about his campaign, about the policy matters, that his whole trouble began when he spoke to david gregory and criticized paul ryan's budget and came out a day or two later and said he never said that, went on rush limbaugh's show and he said i never said that, and rush said, you're lying to me. in the fifth revelations about tiffany's, we're very frugal
people. by that definition, you don't spend millions -- >> he's broken the story that the guy went and bought some kind of necklace that drove his debt at tiffany up to -- certainly over $500,000. this is what newt had to say when grilled by cbs' bob schieffer. this is what he had to say. >> you owed between $250,000 to a jewelry company. what was that about? >> first it's about obeying the law. >> did you owe half a million to a jewelry company at one point? >> we had a revolving fund. >> what does that mean? >> we had a revolving fund. it was an interest-free account. >> who buys half a million on credit? >> no, go talk to tiffany's. >> it's very odd to me that someone would run up a half million bill at a jewelry store. >> go talk to tiffany's. >> you're running for president. you're going to be the guy in
charge of the treasury department. it just sticks out like a sore thumb. >> that was bob sheaf chieffer, david gregory. you think there's still an opening for him. how would he rebuild a campaign team, pay off the million he owes, but pay off what he owes -- would anybody give him money right now? >> very different to see big bundlers, traditional republican donors giving him much. he still has a grass-roots following and e-mail list from some of his organizations. i'm not saying he has a clear path, but he can do better if he's been doing. i'll say, though, i'm incredibly skeptical he can do that, because he's put himself in a bad place. he could -- if he can't attract 12 new people at a top level availability to work with him, i
think he should get out of the race. it's a big country. he should be able to get 12 people that believe in him. >> this is going to be all over the place. last night he refused to answer questions about whether his campaign is a million in debt. so let's listen to this one. >> i'm happy to talk to you about public policy. i'm not going to talk to you about campaign stuff. that's all campaign gossip. talk to r.c. hammond about it. i'm not going to discuss it. >> your campaign is a million in debt -- >> let me try again, i'm not going to discuss it. >> that's a lot of things he won't talk about. he won't talk about debts, tiffany, he won't talk about the money he owes in hi campaigns or in his private life. >> i think he's a bit out of touch with where he is, what he's doing, and with who he's with. he has no staff, as mark said. he keeps saying they consultants, these consultants, they didn't understand i'm not a normal candidate. one of the consultants who left was rick tyler, a longtime press
spokesperson, campaign fund-raisers, he can't talk honestly about any of this this, and i think that's leading to a tremendous credibility problem beyond those people who already love him. that's probably not enough to win iowa or any other state. >> just to bring up to date. it's about him going to events he can get to by cab. it's anywhere within the nearby vicinity. anyway, thank you, mark halperin, as always sir, always hopeful about the full field of candidates. first republicans wanted to end medicare, and at least one is going after social security. tricky business. kay bailey hutchison joins us next. ♪
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biden, to get her proposal which would raise the retirement age included in a deficit reduction package he's working on with lawmakers from both parties. senator hutch sison. you're one of my favorite. what do we need to do in terms of the biggest entitlement of all, social security? >> because we have 75 years to look at and 25 years to deal with it, we can make very gradual changes that will not hurt in the big picture, and will save social security for 75 years, no tax increases on anyone, and we'll not have any cuts in core benefits. i think it is essentially that we do this, because i don't think we can balance the budget with just discretionary spending when it's such a small part of our budget. >> you're talking, as i understand it, correct me if i'm wrong, raising the retirement
age to 67 by 20129, moving that up about i eight years. you're talking about a further moving back of the retirement age to 69 by the year 2027. you're leaving politics, but you are a political person. what do you think voters who are in that age bracket right now think of that proposal? >> i think voters realize that if we don't do something that's gradual now, it's going to be worse and worse and worse, and in 25 years, the social security trustees have said this is over, there will be a 23% cut. that is absolutely wrong for us to sit here and let that happen, when we know it's coming, and we can do gradual things that will save the system without tax increases and without cutting those core benefits. that's what i'm trying to do. >> how do we -- look, i want to go along with you, because i think most people know we're
lucky to be living longer. back then 65 was probably a good bet for the government. most guys especially weren't making it past 65. but what about a guy who drives a big truck, a semi, what about a guy or woman who has a tough job, an industrial job, or a really, really strenuous or tedious job that drives them crazy, not like being a senator or doing what i'm doing, or being a lawyer. what do you do for those people? you make them work until 69? >> no, i think we do have to have leeway for hard labor-type jobs or an airline pilot that has a cutoff. i think what you do is try to adjust the early retirement so they're not penalized. i think you'll have to do that on a case-by-case basis. >> how do you do it? suppose a guy driving a truck? you practically have to have -- those are rough road jobs. you go over highways, driving huge amounts of time.
you can hurt yourself after too long. how do you describe this? where do you draw the line? >> i think you have to have some leeway that gives a discretion to the social security to have way that gives discretion to the social security administration that will exempt for allow for early retirement for people in jobs like that. in ours we raise the early retirement age to 64. again, three months ayear. that's all we do. starting in the year 2016. so we go to 64 for early retirement. that would help a lot for people who have these kinds of jobs but those are special exceptions. most people have what you would consider an easy job, mine or yours. i think that we can do a lot for reducing the deficits and making the social security system good for 75 years which my plan does. >> you know what what territory you're in right now, because you're younger than me, i
believe. i'm pretty sure you are. let's go to the facts. older people have a lot of time on their hands it think about this. they aren't just art people or american of associated retired people. when they hear there is a move to raise the retirement age, say they are 59 years old. they have it planned or say they are 55, paul hawkins, republican from florida, gone on this issue. jeremiah denton, from alabama, gone on this issue. when in '86 when the treasury secretary pulled the rug out from under those folks? you know that history. what happens when someone says to raise the retirement age like you're doing. >> first of all, if you're 58 or older, you're not affected at all. then it is only three months a year, chris. i think that people realize if we don't do something, we're going to have drastic cuts and big tax increases and people really don't want that. and of course people who are in
the lower levels of age that you and i have missed for a while, 35, 45, they think social security isn't going to be there at all and if it is, it is going to be minuscule. that's not fair. we need to protect them. as well as people in the 58 and above bracket. they are protected. if you are 57, you retire three months later. >> what about medicare? would you give people medicare at 65? >> i'm not dealing with medicare because i -- >> but you can't -- >> that is more complicated. >> it is related though, because if you extend retirement to 67, for purposes of income, wouldn't you have to -- the people obviously keep working. they have to keep working until 67. would they get medicare until they are 67? >> if they are working then they will have insurance coverage as they do now, either through the private insurance or their employers or whatever we end up
with, hoping it's in the private system. i think that medicare does need to be reformed chris. but i think that the easier one that we can could do with very little pain to anyone and huge gain to our country and for the future is social security. that's why i'm focused on it. i think we can do a big thing here but it must be bipartisan and the president must agree that this is essential in the debt ceiling issue debate. >> you know, i wish you had run for president. better than that other guy from texas. but that's just my cup of tea. i think you're a better presidential candidate. you never thought of it, did you? >> well, i have two 10-year-old children. i have thought about it at one time. i would love to go in the arena, i really would. but there is no way you can do it at this point with children. but i would love to be in this debate because i think we are missing a lot. in foreign policy. in our nato alliance and most
certainly in our economy. i think we need someone with business experience and foreign policy experience and i wish i could do it but i can't. >> you are probably a wonderful mother and it is a loss for us. thank you that you're not running for president. >> great to be with you always. i appreciate your show. >> we'll be right back. get the ball, girl. hmmm, you can't do that. but you can do this. bengay pain relief + massage with penetrating nubs plus the powerful pain relief of bengay. love the nubs! just don't feel like they used to. are you one of them? remember when you had more energy for 18 holes with your buddies. more passion for the one ya love. more fun with your family and friends. it could be a treatable condition called low testosterone or low t. come on, stop living in the shadows. you've got a life to live. [ male announcer ] so don't blame it on aging. talk to your doctor and go to isitlowt.com to find out more.
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i think our politics are very similar. i have to tell you my gut feeling about wars, you better prove it before we go to war. i set a very high bar to know we have to fight. pearl harbor, i give you that. germans, world war ii, we give you that. after that, i want to hear a really good case pip never heard a good one for iraq. you didn't either. afghanistan, we're catching bin laden. sort of. 10 years later we caught him in another country. >> yes. >> as a moderate, you're a progressive -- >> i'm not the one to defend this particular war but i think -- i think when you inherit a war it's even tougher than when you start a war. because you come in, troops are engaged, you're half way into this process. do you call it quits? >> that was nixon's problem. >> give them credit for that. >> nixon said he add secret plan to get rid of the war. he did all sorts of things to get it worse. >> obama came in. >> he did withdraw most of the troops. >> eventually, i think against
his will. obama came in and inherited the war on the campaign -- >> got war. >> as opposed to iraq, he wanted to take troops out of iraq and deal with afghanistan on the theory that if you take care of afghanistan, it helps protect us against al qaeda. helps us to crush al qaeda wp now we just killed the heard of al qaeda. al qaeda is said to have maybe a couple dozen fighters in afghanistan at most who are involved in local fighting, not trans national fighting. pakistan is the problem. and the question that the president has, that i think he add tough time convincing the public is that by keeping a hundred thousand troops there in afghanistan, it really makes a difference in thwarting al qaeda wp we see it popping up in yemen, active in pakistan. >> do you think they were right, get out of pakistan -- >> i tell you in april 2009, i was at a c